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Ruben Franco Sandate

12/23/2009 02:29:51 pm

Hi,

Comment on recently added Molinar family.
entry #5 is incorrect. It should be "Atilano", he married Maria Alvarez Quiroz, my great grandmother, and parents to my grandmother Anita Molinar Franco.

Antonio Franco

12/25/2009 08:31:16 am

Ruben, your great grandfather Atilano (#5) is the older brother of my great grandmother Juana Molinar (#7). That means that Vicente Molinar and Petra Carrasco are great great grandparents to both of us.

I don't know if we are related on the Franco side but that would not surprise me.

Louisa

12/27/2009 11:52:58 am

Atilano & Maria also had a son named Juan.Juan was born 6/24/1901 & died 6/11/1995 in Carlsbad,NM. He married Carmen Gonzales in Shafter. They had two children. Atilano and Socorro.
Daughter Merced was born 11/15/1905 in Shafter. She married Fernando Larez in Carlsbad. they had 6 children:Ramon,Rudy,
Tibursio,Enedina,Miranda, Olga. Daughter
Guillerma, married Manuel Vasquez. They had three children. Emerlinda,Leo, & Hilda. I do not have dates on hand on Guillerma.I will post later.

Louisa link

12/28/2009 02:52:47 am

Juan Molinar 6/24/1901--6/11/1995
Merced Molinar Larez 11/15/1905-8/13/2003
Guillerma Molinar Vaquez 2/10/1909
died 5/13/1974

Susan Vasquez-Chavez

11/6/2012 06:31:03 am

I would like to know if anyone can tell me more about Guillerma Molinar Vasquez. From what i read, Guillerma is the daughter of Atilano and Maria Molinar. You have a birth date of 1909 but i think that is wrong. i think she was born in 1900. Guillerma is my grandmother on my father side. Guillerma is the mother of Leopoldo (leo) M. Vasquez. do you know where Guillerma was born and if she went to school? And do you have any pictures of her as i would love to give them to my dad.

Antonio Franco link

1/29/2013 02:08:38 am

Susan, thank you so much for your comment. I will forward your comment to Ruben Sandate who provided the information and to Louisa Madrid who provided some of the other information. Hopefully more information will emerge.

Ruben Franco Sandate

1/8/2010 07:38:00 am

Hey Antonio,

Small world. Question on the Franco's in Terlingua. Are most Francos related who came from Terlingua. I would think so coming from a small town.

In addition to Atilano and Maria's children were as Louisa stated: Anita Molinar Franco, Librada Licon, then Luna (she had been widowed) also her sister Petra Alvarez, and Atilano Jesus Molinar who died in 1948.

Ruben Franco Sandate

1/8/2010 07:45:29 am

Antonio,

There is a Librada born in 1890, Francisco and Josepha. They apparently died very young as no census after I believe 1910. Also I believe Josepha and Francisco had been adopted by Atilano from Miguel Molinar. Circumstances not known. If anyone has information on this please comment.

Librada Licon/Luna was renamed later.

Antonio S Franco

1/11/2010 10:47:15 am

Ruben, it is possible that there may have been two different lines of Francos in Terlingua. I know that in Fort Stockton there are two different lines of Francos even now. It is possible that they may be related but it might be so long ago that it could not be correlated.

Anyone who has information on different Francos, please tell us what you know or think.

Louisa

1/12/2010 09:16:55 am

I had never heard of other Francos in Terlingua, so I asked Bob if he had come across other Francos in his research. According to him he did not find any other men,besides my grandfather and his brothers with the name Franco. He did find Manuela
Franco married to Juan Dominguez,Dolores Franco married to Seferino Torres, and Gregoria Franco married to Gabriel Gallegos. These Franco women married in Ojinaga and then moved to Terlingua with their husbands.

Ruben Franco Sandate

1/14/2010 03:09:17 pm

Louisa:

My Grandfather's mother was Cleofas, and he had siblings; Gabriela, and Encarnacion "Chon" Franco. My grandfather was born in Terlingua. My mother Manuela is supposed to have resembled her grandmother Cleofas. If I can upload pics let me know. Her mom was Anita Molinar Franco. I guess the terrible secret was that my grandfather and siblings were illegitimate. Doesn't matter to us. Their father's surname was Morales.

Ruben Franco Sandate.

Also, My father Manuel Castro Sandate was also born in Terlingua. Does anyone have any information on the surname Sandate. His mother was Lucia Castro, and his father was Herculano Perez Sandate.

Thank you,

R F Sandate

Sandy

5/9/2010 05:11:25 pm

My Great Grandmother was Maria Alvarez Quiroz..who married Atilano Molinar. Its believed that Josepha and Francisco were Mariano's (brother to atilano) children who lived with Atilano and Maria at the time of the census...I looking for connections to Maria.

Sandy

5/9/2010 05:13:26 pm

or could it be that Josepha and Francisco were Miguels children?? There is a story of twins and of a brother "lost".

Bob Wirt

5/11/2010 01:49:38 pm

Ruben,
Herculano Sandate information
born 7 Nov 1901 in Sierra Mojada, Coahuila, Mexico. Parents were Antonio Sandate and Martina Perez.
Herculano married Lucia Castro in Terlingua on 28 June 1925. A notation on the marriage record indicates they had been married earlier "by law", but no date was given.
Lucia Castro was born circa 1902 in Ojinaga, Chihuahua, Mexico to Tiburcio and Bonifacia Castro.
Herculano and Lucia had 8 children
Manuel born circa 1925 in Texas
Amelia born circa 1927 in Texas
Gabino born circa 1929 in Texas
Guadalupe Felicita born 20 Nov 1931 in Brewster Co.
Gregoria born 18 Feb 1934 in Brewster Co.
Twins Jose and Maria born 3 Feb 1943 in Brewster Co.
Olivia born 23 May 1946 in Brewster Co.

Herculano immigrated in 1910 but the earliest record I have on him is the 1930 census.
He worked for Chisos Mining Co at least from 1931 to 1934, probably longer. He had a foot injured by a falling rock on 8 Jul 1931 and missed work for 15 days as a result.
There were some other Sandates in the area, but I have not been able to link them to Herculano. I'll be glad to share what I have on them it you want it (not much in most cases). Names are Isidro, Rodrigo, Isidoro (maybe same as Isidro), Anestacio. Longino, Anselmo, Luis, Alejandro.

Bob Wirt

5/14/2010 11:01:14 am

Just took some time to scan through the "Discussions" pages on FdeT and am very pleased to see how much interest has been generated and how much useful information has been posted. That is exactly what I had hoped for.

It will be interesting to see if we get any comments on some of the less known families (Henry Bernard, for example). There seem to have been a fairly large number of families who were in the area briefly in the 1900-1915 time frame.

Some just disappeared (probably went back to Mexico) and others I have been able to trace to other places in the U.S. I'd really like to know what drew them to the area in the first place and why they left.

Some historians (Casey and Gomez, for example) contend that they were all fleeing the turmoil of the revolution. I believe that is true in some cases, but I believe it was more a case of there being opportunities in the area.

I believe that the word got around that (1) the area was now relatively safe because the Indian problem had been "solved", (2) the mining industry was creating new jobs, and although the pay was not great it was better than they were getting in places like Sierra Mojada and San Luis Potosi, and (3) most of the land didn't belong to "anybody". Most of it was state school land, relatively easy to "squat" on without getting caught and available for sale on very good terms. And large numbers of the people had already been in the United States for years.

Sandy Loyless Hall link

7/9/2010 12:14:41 pm

in re: Antonio Franco's post above:
Juana Molinar was also my greatgrandmother. My grandmother, Maria (Mary) Franco Loyless was one of the youngest children of Juana Molinar and Francisco Franco. Juana's siblings were: Atilano Molinar; Siberio Molinar; Mariano Molinar; Victorano Molinar; Juan Molinar; Dolores Molinar; and Carmen Molinar. Juana was the youngest of the children. My grandmother, Maria Franco wrote he names out for me before she died in 1983. Juana Molinar died 3-7-1919 in Shafter at age 56. I would like to know what happened to Francisco Franco who evidently moved to San Antonio in his later years.

Louisa

8/1/2010 02:19:51 pm

I would also like to know more about Francisco Franco. I have tried finding a marriage license on him and Juana Molinar.
I would like to know who his parents were.
Sandy mentions that he moved to San Antonio. More then likely it is the San Antonio in Mexico, not too far from where he and Juana lived in Texas.

Jo Ann Núñez-Thomas

11/15/2010 09:41:02 am

About Felix Longoria and the GI Forum:
as someone who grew up in the GI Forum and of course, very familiar with the story of Feliz Longoria, I truly appreciate your information on the film. I remember so well all the stories of him and others like him. An interesting side-note that you will appreciate -- my Dad had heard Walter Winchell on his weekly program wherein he urged all veterans to come on the next Sunday, wearing their uniforms to remind all citizens of the great war that they had brought to a successful conclusion just a few years earlier. My Dad and other vets (Mejicanos) decided that they would march from the then Lulac Hall to St. Joseph's church where Father Franchi offered a special mass for the veterans. My Dad and the others formed a veteran's organization in Fort Stockton. A few years later, Dr. Garcia learned about the group in Stockton and called my Dad to ask him if their group would like to join the American GI Forum. Thus began the AGIF in Fort Stockton which was so successful in changing the face and the future of Fort Stockton. I attended my first convention when I was in the first grade and every convention until I was in my late-twenties, when I got married and moved to the east coast.

I took my parents to the Texas convention in Austin this last June, because they were honoring the old-timers and also because I knew that it would be the last convention that my Dad will probably ever attend. It was so sad to see the great wall with pictures of these young men who fought to defend this country at its hour of need. It was especially sad to see so few of them still alive that could travel to Austin to be there. I, and you when you attended a convention, were there during the height of the organization and learned history first hand from these people, who without the benefit of education (for the most part); lack of financial power, lack of access, etc., none-the-less took on the powers that be and fought the good fight for so many of us that came after them. They unlocked the doors that had mostly been closed to us. They did not all get to walk through those doors, but you and I and others did walk through them. It was especially sad for me to see what remains of the AGIF, which is now primarily, a vets organization, and so few people there, especially when I remember the participation of long ago.

Once again, thanks for the information. I will make sure that I get a copy for my folks.

Jo Ann

M. J. GARCIA, PH.D.

11/16/2010 08:04:15 am

GOOD WORK. THERE ARE ADDITIONAL LATINO/MEXICAN AMERICAN VETERANS-RELATED WEB SITES WHICH YOU MAY WANT TO CONSIDER. CHIEF AMONG SUCH SITES IS THE SITE PERTAINING TO THE WORK OF DR. MAGGIE RIVAS-RODRIGUEZ FROM THE UNIVERSITY OF TEXAS AT AUSTIN. YOU CAN CONTACT HER AT mrivas@mail.utexas.edu. BELOW IS SOME MORE INFO ABOUT HER:

Rivas-Rodriguez has been recognized nationally for helping to create greater awareness of the contributions of U.S. Latinos & Latinas of the World War II generation. In 2007, she received the National Council of La Raza's Ruben Salazar Award for Communications, the National Association of Hispanic Journalists' Leadership Award and the American Association of Hispanics in Higher Education's Outstanding Support of Hispanic Issues in Higher Education. She was also named to the DFW Network of Hispanic Communicator's Hall of Fame in 2006.

Ruben Sandate

11/16/2010 08:06:46 am

Thanks for the heads up. Antonio, Ruben Navarrette columnist wrote about this in our Press Democrat.

M. J. GARCIA, PH.D.

11/16/2010 08:28:00 am

Thank you for your input about the American G.I.Forum and Dr. Hector P. Garcia. I have seen the documentary twice because I found it so interesting. You see, at one time, I also thought that the Felix Longoria Affair had been the basis for the founding of the American G. I. Forum--not true.

However, I believe that the PBS documentary made this matter clear, i.e., that the American G.I. Forum was founded PRIOR to the Felix Longoria Affair. But the documentary also made another thing clear--it was that the Felix Longoria Affair added a great deal of awareness about the G. I. Forum, and therefore generated membership drives, and to the founding of many state and local chapters nationwide.

I enjoyed your recollections of our Fort Stockton Chapter of the American Jr. G.I. Forum which I chaired during the 1963-1964 school year while you were a senior at FSHS, and whilst I was fresh out of high school. Little did I know that that "administrative" experience would serve me well in the years to come, and which would be the first among many Chicano and Hispanic organizations which I either founded, or in which I participated, throughout the rest of my life.

I owe much to my experience with the Junior G. I. Forum in Fort Stockton--it planted the seeds of activism for and service to Hispanics which have born fruit many times in my personal, political, and professional undertakings. Margarito J. Garcia FSHS Class of '63

Selma

11/16/2010 04:43:58 pm

Hello:
Macario Hinojos jr. was my grand father, but nothing on my family talk about his life before living on México...I appreciate it, if somebody talk about his life on Lajitas. Im felt sad wen read: "...He was the accused killer of Constable Felix Valenzuela..." because I love very much to my grandfather.
Excuse my english please (I suported on traslator).
Thanks for your answer.

Glen Dutchover

3/31/2011 03:39:19 am

Selma, I'm Josie's son. Nieto de Josefa hermana de Macario. I was raised by Josefa in early childhood. She told me many stories about him. One time I met him, when we would go take clothes to Boquillas. He met us there and me spent a day with him. I remember that he went there on horseback. The people there really respected him. He was a very nice man. Get on Facebook to see my pictures. I tell you the story of what really happened.love you.

Glen Dutchover to Selma

3/31/2011 04:04:43 am

Selma, mi abuelita Josefa me cuento la historia donde mi Tio M. mato a Felix. Felix sabia muy bien que Tio hera un contrabandista de sotol en esos tiempos. Los oficiales casi estaban de acuerdo de el contrabanda, porque casi no abia dinero ayi. Se ayudaban. Pero un dia en un baile, se sube mi Tio M. a cantar "Los Hojos de me Elena" a una muchacha que le gustaba, que hera nobia de Felix. Se peliaban por esa muchacha. Felix quiso a matar a Macario, pero Tio defendiendose le quito la arma, y lo mato. Fue una cosa mui triste, mi ama Josefa lloraba mucho por el.

Glen Dutchover to Selma

3/31/2011 04:20:46 am

Another Story. Perdone me espaniol por favor. Una vez abian unos bandidos que siempre andaban tormentando la gente, y robando, llegaron a demandar una chiva de me Visabuelo Macario Sr. Papa Caio le decian. El les dijo que estaba para tener chivitos y si puedian a esperarse. Pero lasaron a Papa C. y lo arastraron asta casi matarlo. Despues llego Tio M., que tenia catorse de hedad, y vio a Papa. Junta el rifle de papa y se va a buscar el conosido bandido. Ayi donde estaban con su chivo los encontro. Corieron pero Tio tumbo al conocido de su cabio, con una bala al talon. Luego Macario se arimo y mato al bandido con un tiro a la frente. Esos tiempos eran mui dificiles, y no abia ley verdadera. Asi se hacian las cosas. La gente hacia cosas duras por su sufrimiento. Se me olvida el nombre del bandido, pero mi Tio nunca se le va haborar su nombre de la pagina, por esos hechos.

Glen Dutchover to Selma

4/4/2011 08:34:33 am

Hers is another story that is a little crazy. Once my Greatgrandmother Severiana Hinojos was tending her garden of things you could actually grow in Chisos. My grand mother Josefa and her sisters, were with her and were small children. While returning to the house one day, they hear screams coming from their house, which was quite a bit away from the garden. They noticed a caucasian man screaming,"where are you? I'm going to kill everyone!" He was standing outside of their house stark naked, wielding a knife. They hid themselves near to where my Greatgrandfather Macario, would be returning through. (I believe he was at work.) My GGM "Mama Ana," warns him, and he approaches the mad man and plugs (shoots)him between the eyes, from atop his horse, as the man threatens him. My GGF "Papa Caio" then carries him off and burys him in somewhere. No one ever asked about that man, and they never knew, nor could guess where he had come from. I'd say this was around 1920-30 maybe.

Selma

4/11/2011 12:55:19 pm

Dear Glen Durchover, thanks a lot for your histories, it is incredble that can to know about my Grandfathers' familys. Yours words have given me tranquility and confidence. My mother met Josie, your mother. I'll look for you on Facebook.

Selma

4/13/2011 09:24:22 am

Please, Could you chance A.S.A.P. a information?? about:

I REALLY WROTTE:
Hello:
Macario Hinojos jr. was my grand father, but nothing on my family talk about his life before living on México...I appreciate it, if somebody talk about his life on Lajitas. Im felt sad wen read: "...He was the accused killer of Constable Felix Valenzuela..." because I love very much to my grandfather.
Excuse my english please (I suported on traslator).
Thanks for your answer.

IM NOT WROTTE that Im lamenting that there was only a negative reference to my grandfather, Macario Hinojos, Jr. LIKE YOU WROTTE ON...
http://www.familiasdeterlingua.com/hinojos---macario-jr.html

THANKS.

tomas molinar3rd

6/11/2011 03:03:48 pm

bob i am interested in learning more about my family mygrandfather was tomas burges molinar i am enjoying and learning alot and i miss the south as i am in washington state arriba terlingua!!!!!!!

Louisa

8/29/2011 04:41:09 am

Sat, 25 Jun 2011 10:02:58

Tomas, while your grandparents lived in Alpine, where we also lived, they used to
visit us. Especially your grandmother Jesus and the first two children. She would walk to our house with her two little boys, later three, and sometime leave them , while she would run errands. We moved to NM, and I believe they moved to Odessa.

My father, Benigno Franco son of Antonio Molinar Franco, & your grandfather were cousins.

Juan Baeza

8/29/2011 04:43:54 am

Sun, 28 Aug 2011 16:46:43
Bob,

information on Francisco Acosta....you have obviously forgotten to put me as the author on the majority of the information that you obtained from rootsweb.com

You should have respect for others hours, hours and hours of hardwork......instead of lieing to the public as if it was all your research.

remember what they say about karma

Bob Wirt

8/29/2011 04:50:35 am

Juan,
I’m very sorry you are upset. However, all of the information contained in the Francisco Acosta report on Life Before the Ruins is based on my own research. All of my sources are listed at the end of the report and I can tell you what each and every statement in the report is based on.

Furthermore, I have never even seen your work posted on rootsweb.com, so your accusations of plagiarism are completely unfounded. In fact, I never use rootsweb.com or similar web sites because it is usually impossible to determine the source of the authors’ statements.

If in fact our results are in agreement, then a more positive way for you to view this situation is that my research has verified that you have done a good job with your research.
Bob

Russ Mancillas

5/22/2015 05:15:13 pm

Sandate, My grandfather, Juan R. Sandate was born in Terlingua, TX, in 1903, his father was Rodrigo Sandate, his birth certificate, does not list and address, just Terlingua. Trying to find any information on where his father was from, (possibly Mexico), or where he is buried.
Any help would be appreciated.

O.E.

1/14/2019 11:43:04 pm

Hi, I found the baptism of Librada Agustina de Jesus Molinar Quiroz if you would like to add it to this website.

Julian S. Baiza, Jr.

2/18/2019 02:50:11 pm

Josefa Sotelo was twin sister to Sofia Sotelo. Josefa had four children. Armando is the grandson to Julian Baiza, Sr. Armando Baiza, Jr. is son of Armando Baiza, son only of Julian Baiza Sr. and was adapted by Julian Baiza Sr. Yolanda was also adapted daughter of Albina Baiza.

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